JILL: Hello. My title is Jill (ph), from Fayetteville, N.C., and I simply acquired the information that I am cancer-free.
MARA LIASSON, BYLINE: Wow.
TAMARA KEITH, HOST:
Whoo.
JILL: This podcast was recorded at…
KEITH: 3:07 p.m. on Thursday, the 5 of March.
JILL: Issues most likely modified by the point you hear it, however I’ll nonetheless be celebrating. OK, here is the present.
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KEITH: Wow. I’ve chills.
DANIELLE KURTZLEBEN, BYLINE: Whoo.
KEITH: Congratulations.
KURTZLEBEN: Congrats.
LIASSON: Actually good.
KURTZLEBEN: Whoo. Good for you.
KEITH: Hey there. It is the NPR POLITICS PODCAST. I am Tamara Keith. I cowl the White Home.
KURTZLEBEN: I am Danielle Kurtzleben. I cowl the presidential marketing campaign.
LIASSON: And I am Mara Liasson, nationwide political correspondent.
KEITH: And at this time, Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren dropped out of the race for president.
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ELIZABETH WARREN: So I introduced this morning that I’m suspending my marketing campaign for president. I say this with a deep sense of gratitude for each single one who acquired on this combat, each single one who tried on a brand new thought, each single one who simply moved somewhat of their notion of what a president of the USA ought to appear like.
KEITH: She was holding a press convention outdoors of her home and to say bye, bye, bye to Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, I suggest that we use her walk-on track…
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DOLLY PARTON: (Singing) Working 9 to five, what a strategy to make a residing. Barely…
KEITH: …Which I believe all of us agree was essentially the most becoming walkout track for any of the presidential candidates who ran over the previous 12 months and a half.
KURTZLEBEN: I used to be really fascinated with the track at this time. And, like, it’s a track a couple of girl feeling underappreciated, and I ponder if Warren is feeling that at this time proper now.
LIASSON: Unappreciated, but additionally that film was a very massive, essential film, and Elizabeth Warren’s marketing campaign was an enormous, essential marketing campaign. And sure, that is an anthem for ladies who work arduous and are unappreciated, however that film left an indelible stamp on our tradition, and I predict Warren’s marketing campaign will depart an indelible stamp on our politics, too.
KEITH: So I believe that the kind of calling card of her marketing campaign, Danielle – and you’ve got been protecting her marketing campaign for the period and particularly in these previous couple of weeks – the calling card was she was the lady with a plan.
KURTZLEBEN: Sure, most positively. I imply, even in the previous couple of days of her marketing campaign, she was saying new plans – one about farm staff, one other about combating coronavirus. I imply, she was nonetheless saying them. And, you realize, pay attention – in fact, the plans have been about being vegetation, proper? The entire level of getting plans was, yeah, partially, to say, pay attention – listed here are issues I want to do, which is why any presidential candidate does that. But it surely was additionally very a lot a model.
And whenever you discuss to her voters, they appreciated a few of what was within the plans, certain, however they very a lot simply appreciated that the plans existed. She appeared to be making that her electability pitch. Like, take a look at this man within the White Home. He isn’t ready; I am tremendous ready. Do not you need the other of that? And loads of Democrats do.
KEITH: Yeah. And, you realize, the opposite factor about how Warren was, as a campaigner, is that, sure, she had these plans, however she did not do laundry lists. The best way she talked on the marketing campaign path, she was all the time telling a narrative. The whole lot had a story to go along with it, both a narrative about herself or a narrative about another person who she had met.
KURTZLEBEN: One of many tales that actually appeared to get the group into it was a narrative concerning the gown, which was about when Elizabeth Warren’s father misplaced his job, her mother needed to exit for a job interview, and she or he pulled out the gown she solely wore for graduations, weddings and funerals – I might recite this phrase for phrase at this level…
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KURTZLEBEN: …To go get a job, to go to a job interview.
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WARREN: And he or she seems to be at me, by no means says a phrase, wipes her face, pulls that gown on, places on her excessive heels and walks to the Sears and will get a full-time minimum-wage job answering telephones. That minimum-wage job saved our home. And, extra importantly, it saved our household.
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KURTZLEBEN: It is these kind of tales, you realize – the factor – the kind of basic contradiction on the heart of Elizabeth Warren’s marketing campaign is, sure, her model was plans, but additionally on the stump, she did not get deeply into the plans. She stated she had them, after which she instructed these intensely private tales.
LIASSON: She appeared to have all of it. However her power turned out to be her weak point.
KEITH: So in the summertime, the standard knowledge – the opposite campaigns thought Elizabeth Warren might properly be the Democratic nominee, that she was on the trail. After which she acquired knocked off that path partially by former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who had this unimaginable assault on her in one of many debates.
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PETE BUTTIGIEG: Your signature, Senator, is to have a plan for the whole lot, besides this – no plan has been laid out to elucidate how a multitrillion greenback gap on this Medicare for All plan that Senator Warren is placing ahead is meant to get crammed in.
LIASSON: So he began poking at her model. Her model was I’ve a plan. And he stated, hey, why do not you might have a plan for well being care? All you have stated thus far is, I am with Bernie. Nicely, Elizabeth Warren, whose principle of the case turned out to be fallacious – she thought she needed to cleave to Bernie Sanders in each manner – determined that she would make Bernie Sanders’ plan add up on paper. She was going to give you a plan to pay for his plan. He did not really feel the necessity to do this – Sanders did not.
So she got here up with a plan to pay for obligatory Medicare for All, a single-payer system, with out taxing the middle-class, which meant she needed to tax the whole lot else that moved. And when individuals appeared on the particulars, which Sanders had by no means put out in very stark aid…
KEITH: Right.
LIASSON: …They stated, oh, you imply no extra non-public medical insurance? And that is what it may value? After which she – her ballot numbers began to drop.
KURTZLEBEN: One different downside that Elizabeth Warren had that we should always point out right here is that, you realize, sure, she was all the time on this bubble of getting sufficient help to fill these massive rallies and get a number of cheers and, you realize, have individuals stanning for her on social media, however, you realize, she by no means was capable of get a complete lot larger. And part of that, an enormous a part of that, was partially that she could not – she by no means put collectively a really numerous coalition of individuals. She did very properly amongst college-educated whites. However particularly in choosing up black voters, Latino voters, she by no means actually acquired there, and that was additionally an enormous hurdle that her marketing campaign confronted.
KEITH: So I believe for lots of people kind of watching the race from the skin, it appeared like Elizabeth Warren was allied with Bernie Sanders. She was within the Bernie Sanders lane. However to listen to her speak about it now, it looks as if she was really attempting to string the distinction. Like, she was attempting to be not a Biden and never a Sanders however someplace in between.
KURTZLEBEN: Sure.
KEITH: And he or she had a tough time discovering a marketplace for that ultimately.
KURTZLEBEN: Positive. As a result of loads of her insurance policies have been – or at the very least her larger insurance policies have been like Sanders’ however perhaps a step inward and even her model was like Sanders’ however a step inward as a result of he is a socialist; she would say, nope, nope, nope, I’m a capitalist to my bones. After which, you realize, scholar debt aid – properly, I might forgive scholar debt, however not fairly for everyone. And, you realize – or Medicare for All, she had a plan that may have delayed it, and he didn’t. So I imply, so much like Bernie Sanders however somewhat bit additional in. So sure, very a lot place your self there.
LIASSON: So – yeah, so voters who needed an actual progressive left-wing candidate, they went to the OG, the unique man, Bernie Sanders.
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LIASSON: And individuals who have been college-educated liberals who sort of appreciated the Elizabeth Warren, I’ve a plan, they stated, hm, once they noticed that plan; perhaps I am going to keep on with Pete Buttigieg. And he or she discovered herself in no man’s land. She needed to be a bridge between the left and the middle, and she or he discovered herself, you realize, with no web in any respect.
KEITH: Earlier than we head to the break, I wish to play yet one more clip from that press convention she held at this time, the place she appeared to be addressing her place in historical past or this second in historical past.
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WARREN: I do know. One of many hardest elements of that is all these little ladies who’re going to have to attend 4 extra years. That is going to be arduous.
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KEITH: All proper, we’re going to take a fast break. And after we get again, we will take a while to replicate on the function of ladies on this presidential race.
And we’re again. And as a part of that press convention that Elizabeth Warren held, she was requested concerning the function of gender on this marketing campaign.
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WARREN: Gender on this race – you realize, that’s the lure query for each girl. In case you say, yeah, there was sexism on this race, everybody says whiner; and in case you say, no, there was no sexism, a couple of bazillion ladies assume, what planet do you reside on?
KEITH: So this race began out with a historic variety of ladies working for the nomination, you realize. You go from 2016 with Hillary Clinton failing to interrupt that highest, hardest glass ceiling to a ton of ladies in Congress saying, you realize what – I will run. So – and we should always say that Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard continues to be working, however she solely has a few delegates, and she or he would not actually have a path to successful. However so that you had all of those ladies – Senators Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand – all of them ran. All of them ran as proud ladies. But it surely did not stick.
KURTZLEBEN: Proper. And I imply, there are a gajillion (ph) causes, simply innumerable causes, why that is perhaps, and we won’t get into all of them as a result of we’ve got restricted time on this podcast. So let’s begin with the concrete one which everyone knows, and it’s electability as a result of we had voters on the path, from a very long time in the past to just lately, telling us that electability was hurting their probabilities of voting for a girl. Here’s a girl who was in line to vote. She is a UCLA scholar named Brooke Rosenberg. This is what she stated about her option to vote.
BROOKE ROSENBERG: Nicely, I actually like Elizabeth Warren, however I simply do not assume a lady goes to win this election, sadly. Additionally, I do not need Trump to, like, tear her down.
KURTZLEBEN: She went on to say that, yeah, Warren was her first alternative. And so that you had many citizens feeling this fashion. Here’s a very telling ballot outcome, by the best way – from June 2019, however there isn’t any motive to assume has modified a lot – 76% % of Democrats and independents stated they have been comfy with a lady president. To be trustworthy, I am shocked that is not larger, however no matter. Thirty-three % stated their neighbors have been.
Now, you’ll be able to learn that certainly one of two methods. One, I am not sexist, however my neighbors are, and I am scared; or two, I am telling you what I actually assume, however I am afraid to say it myself. And we will have a complete lot of time to dig into that – years, you realize.
LIASSON: Yeah. And in an election the place electability is crucial standards, what you personally assume and what you assume different voters may assume are actually one and the identical factor.
KURTZLEBEN: The best way I have a tendency to consider that is this – as our, like, one who is paid to consider gender on a regular basis; all proper, right here we go. It is that, like, you do not run throughout voters who let you know, yeah, I could not vote for a girl. Overwhelmingly, in polls, most voters will let you know, yeah, I’ll vote for a girl. However the factor is, that could be a theoretical girl.
So far as what that girl seems to be like, who she is, how she ought to act, we do not know what that girl is but. Males have outlined the presidency; we’re nonetheless in search of what that woman seems to be like. And there are all types of research that speak about precisely what sort of a lady individuals wish to vote for and do not vote for that we won’t get into right here.
KEITH: And Danielle, I believe you probably did a narrative about this in some unspecified time in the future. But when electability is the North Star for voters this cycle, then that essentially disadvantages the feminine candidates as a result of nobody has ever seen a lady elected president earlier than.
KURTZLEBEN: That is true. And, you realize, you might have – I did have one pollster inform me at one level, you realize, there may be some motive to assume that voters take into consideration voting for ladies for Congress otherwise from voting for ladies for president, that for some motive, there is a psychological hurdle they cannot recover from. However I wish to level out yet one more factor so long as we’re speaking about electability, like, who can win. I imply, so far as on that congressional stage, I double-checked earlier than we got here within the studio, these ladies you talked about on the prime of the phase – Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, Klobuchar – none of them have ever misplaced.
KEITH: (Laughter).
KURTZLEBEN: There’s a lot to unpack there so far as, you realize, whether or not meaning it’s a must to do the whole lot backwards and in excessive heels, because the saying goes, if it’s a must to be tremendous excellent to run with the boys – there’s all types of stuff. However on the very least – and that is going to be chilly consolation to the listeners that actually, actually desire a girl president – this 12 months, we noticed a wave of ladies candidates who have been aggressive, who have been taken significantly. It sucks that that’s the bar for progress, however that’s progress.
LIASSON: And earlier than Hillary Clinton, the standard knowledge about ladies was a lady goes to turn into president after she is first the vp. And…
KEITH: Which results in one other query.
LIASSON: Sure. What I believe – I have not heard – talked to a single Democrat who will push again in opposition to the concept there will probably be a lady on the ticket, whoever is the nominee, and almost certainly that individual will probably be a lady of coloration.
KEITH: All proper. Nicely, that could be a wrap for at this time. We are going to know sooner or later whether or not you are proper. We will probably be again tomorrow with our Weekly Roundup. Till then, subscribe to our publication. It is the weekly wrap of our greatest on-line evaluation. Simply head over to npr.org/politicsnewsletter to enroll. I am Tamara Keith. I cowl the White Home.
KURTZLEBEN: I am Danielle Kurtzleben. I cowl the presidential marketing campaign.
LIASSON: And I am Mara Liasson, nationwide political correspondent.
KEITH: And thanks for listening to the NPR POLITICS PODCAST.
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